Spare a thought for the poor ol’ fascists.

Friday 21st November 2008

I’ve been quietly watching the BNP membership list saga unfold and I’ve been fascinated with the different perspectives and opinions I’ve heard.

My initial reaction was “Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha,” but now I’m not so sure.  I’ve seen the actual data, and it’s pretty rough for the people on it.  Names, addresses, phone numbers, emails, family members’ names, notes and memos (“discretion required re: employment” – oh the irony), there’s loads on there.  Someone even did a Google Maps mashup to show the location of every member on the list.

So what issues have come out of this?

1. Personal security

I can imagine most of the people on the list are a little more fearful for their safety, apart from the knuckle-heads perhaps.  But I can’t help thinking back to the mid-90’s when my comrades in Democratic Left and the Anti-Nazi League (and myself for all I know) found themselves on a hit list from the local NF and Combat 18 thugs.  They weren’t that worried about it, and by definition non-BNP members probably aren’t going to be as militant and vindictive.  I would be surprised if there was any serious trouble from the publication of this list; I suspect the most that its subjects will experience is a bit of embarrassment.  Very clever of the BNP leader Nick Griffin to claim that some non-members’ details were maliciously added to the list before publication, thereby giving people a way out if necessary.

2. The shame of being a BNP member

The rage and indignation of some of those “outed” by the leak was an interesting phenomenon.  Aside from the potential safety and employment concerns, this would indicate that they’re rather ashamed of being a member.  If, as the BNP claims, they are a mainstream and inclusive party who have ditched their old racist and militant ways, why would there be so many red faces amongst the membership this week?  Have pride in what you believe dammit!  One contributor to a radio show I heard said that humiliating these people would just send them underground.  The presenter made the point that they in their shame they’ve proved they’re already underground.

But of course, imagine the shame if the Tories’ or Labour’s membership lists were published!

3. Employment

No-one on the list employed in the private sector is likely to suffer – apart from being instantly alienated by those of their colleagues pilloried by the BNP – but this episode has reignited the debate about whether a BNP member can be part of the public sector.  The classic argument is the fear that their prejudices will interfere with their public duty – perhaps with fatal consequences.  But I don’t buy that.  Basic Sets Theory would show that not all racists are BNP members (but all BNP members are racist haha) so how do you then weed out the non-members?  No, I think that the ban on membership from some public sector agencies is more to do with the PR crisis that would emerge if something did go wrong.  I’m pretty sure anyone applying for an affected job would just ditch their membership – but they can still continue to donate time and money to their cause.

And if someone’s political membership precludes them from a job, where does it end?  One of the guys in my office asked “would a Christian be barred from working in a hospital because she believes that abortion is wrong?”  I think the bottom line is, judge people and their performance on their actions, not their political affiliations.

So in conclusion, I think that the BNP is a vile and unfortunate by-product of democracy and something we sadly have to live with (until we can get rid of democracy).  I hope that the worst that happens to those on the list is that they get struck by a few rotten tomatoes as they walk through town, but I pray that they and their families are safe.  And I hope that no-one loses their livelihood or liberty if they genuinely deserve not to.

But I think I’ll leave the last word to the BBC News website:

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Now I’m back to “ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha.”

Thanks for reading.

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  • 1. Julaybib Ayoub  |  Saturday 22nd November 2008 at 6:47 am

    “would a Christian be barred from working in a hospital becaue she believes that abortion is wrong?”

    I think some people are treating BNP affiliation as a liberal issue, instead of focusing on what the BNP actually stand for and believe. This is an organisation whose core membership includes supporters of Hitler and eugenics, holocaust deniers, convicted violent criminals and racists. These are not people with unpopular opinions – BNP members finance and endorse fascism. And I for one have very little sympathy for fascists or their friends.

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  • 2. Hamza  |  Saturday 22nd November 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Thanks for your comment, it is much appreciated.

    I don’t doubt that many of the BNP members are nasty pieces of work with odious beliefs, but my point is how does barring them from employment help? If someone leaves the party because their work forces them to, it’s not going change their beliefs. And how do you bar the nasty pieces of work with odious beliefs who aren’t members of the BNP? Maybe we need some way to weed out people with those beliefs at the interview stage – employment eugenics anyone?

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  • 3. voltairespriest  |  Saturday 22nd November 2008 at 5:03 pm

    I don’t actually care what happens to their jobs, personally. Ask yourself a different question: would you want your child to be taught by a fascist? Your elderly relatives to be cared for by one? One to be entrusted with performing surgery on you perhaps?

    Shove the f*****s on the dole as far as I am concerned: joining a political party is an active choice, and fascism is not within the realm of reasonable or legitimate political choices as far as I am concerned.

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  • 4. Hamza  |  Saturday 22nd November 2008 at 9:30 pm

    “Ask yourself a different question: would you want your child to be taught by a fascist?”

    No, I absolutely wouldn’t. But how do you know someone is a fascist? Especially if they are not allowed to advertise the fact by joining the BNP.

    And I’m sure there’s plenty of other types of people I wouldn’t want teaching my children – but I don’t necessarily get that choice unless I “home ed”. So who should we send our “nasty people” lists to?

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  • 5. Ed  |  Monday 24th November 2008 at 4:37 pm

    “..joining a political party is an active choice, and fascism is not within the realm of reasonable or legitimate political choices as far as I am concerned.”

    It was thinking like this that led to the majority of the most evil regimes of the 20th Century such as Stalin’s USSR, Mao Zedong’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia etc that brutally killed millions and tens of millions of people. Once someone’s political choices are defined as “not legitimate” it is only a logical step to killing them.

    In essence this is no different from Stalin’s communism. The target is dismissed out of hand as a “fascist”, “rightist”, “bourgeois nationalist” etc and such hysteria whipped up that it becomes only logical to “liquidate” them.

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  • 6. catherine  |  Wednesday 3rd December 2008 at 6:24 pm

    re your comment on nursing… the medical prof is one of the few that can bow out of the abortion procedure… effectively under the abortion act there needs to be two signatures, and any doctor can refuse to sign if he objects, (but he has to refer) even though british law does not recognise the rights of a child till it it ‘fully extruded and independant’ of the mother. this results in there being geographical ‘hotspots’ where doctors can go to practice and not be expected to partake.. eg huddersfield, leaving any woman needing an abortion to travel elsewhere, and be totally talked down to by the medical prof in the process.
    ergo… would we want emplyment hotspots where the BNP could live and work, and those of ethnic minorities/homosexuals/AND WOMEN were not afforded the protection they are leaglly due to?
    i wouldnt let a BNP member teach my child. I have a plasterer at the mo who has just told me (after hearing me rant about the BNP for a week) that he is a fully paid up member… i almost sacked him on the spot… (lawfully… see aslef v UK echr) then thought no, i can make a difference here – ive been slowly talking to him, and ive got him so info on redwatch, which he had no idea about, and is disgusted.
    education is the way forward… not violence and threats, but knowledge and compassion for these damaged people.
    =) spread the multi-cultural love xx

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  • 7. Paul Wright  |  Monday 6th July 2009 at 4:21 pm

    I would rather have a BNP member teach my children than some of the marxist Labour supporters who have ruined teaching in the UK.

    I would also rather have a BNP member teach my children than a Muslim teacher…………………………

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    • 8. Hamza  |  Friday 24th July 2009 at 4:27 pm

      Paul, thanks for your comment. I don’t think there are any Marxists left in the Labour Party are there? I agree that liberal teaching methods haven’t done much for us, but the shift started in the 60’s and the Tories have always been more or less complicit in it.

      Are muslim teachers less agreeable to you than born-again or fundamentalist Christian teachers?

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